Hej!
Jeg har en Mercedes Benz C220 2,2 CDI Aut. 150 HK
Indreg. første gang juli-2004.
Kørt 155.000 km.
Mig bekendt har gearkasse-olien aldrig været skiftet.
Jeg har fået at vide fra et MB-værksted i Tyskland, at jeg bør skifte olien i den automatiske gearkasse.
Når jeg spørger mit MB-værksted i Danmark, får jeg sådan et slags ”la-la-svar” (”det var da sikkert en god ide at skifte”).
Jeg bliver ikke klogere ved at studere instruktionsbogen eller serviceheftet; der står ikke et kvæk om gearkasse-olie-skift.
Jeg har ingen anledning til at tro, der er noget galt (altså ingen mislyd eller andet).
Men som almindelig bilist, uden videre indsigt i det tekniske, vil jeg gerne vide, om jeg - når nu bilen har kørt 150.000 km - bør få skiftet olien i gearkassen?
Mon der er nogen af jer, der kan hjælpe med et råd?
Med venlig hilsen
Torben
Olie i automatisk gerkasse – skal den skiftes?
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Da 5-trins elektroniskgearkassen kom frem, sagde man ingen olieskift fordi det var livtidsolie.....
Meeen man er blevet klogere med tiden og nu hedder det min. et olieskift mellem 50-80.000km (inkl. filter)...
En 5-trins tager cirka 7,5L olie total men da der er ingen prop på converteren ligesom i gamle dage, kan du max tappe 3,5L af som kommer fra bundkarret!
Hvis det skal være 100% iorden, skal fremgangs røret til oliekøling pilles af efter filter skift osv...
5L påfyldes og motor startes hvor 2L køres ud af røret, motor standes, 2L påfyldes, motor startes osv osv indtil der kommer frisk olie ud...
Man kan hurtigt bruge 14L gear olie på denne metode som også kaldes gearskylning.
Meeen man er blevet klogere med tiden og nu hedder det min. et olieskift mellem 50-80.000km (inkl. filter)...
En 5-trins tager cirka 7,5L olie total men da der er ingen prop på converteren ligesom i gamle dage, kan du max tappe 3,5L af som kommer fra bundkarret!
Hvis det skal være 100% iorden, skal fremgangs røret til oliekøling pilles af efter filter skift osv...
5L påfyldes og motor startes hvor 2L køres ud af røret, motor standes, 2L påfyldes, motor startes osv osv indtil der kommer frisk olie ud...
Man kan hurtigt bruge 14L gear olie på denne metode som også kaldes gearskylning.
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Autgear/skyllning
Der ligger vist et firma i flensburg som kan skylle din gearkasse , dernede har de en maskine de slutte til din bil/autgear ,detsværre findes det ikke i DK , mener det koster ca 2-2500kr incl olie , ved godt det er længe siden du har skrevet dette indlæg men så ved du det til næste gang. MVH Palle
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Har selv haft en C220 og du kan ikke skifte olien i gearkassen hurtigt nok,hvis den har kørt km 150.000. Med hensyn til olieskifte så har JBA (J Block Auto) i Gistrup ved Aalborg en pumpe,således de kan pumpe alt olie ud af gearkassen, det koster dog kr. 800-900 ekstra (såvidt jeg husker). I dag har jeg en E320 og skifte min gearolie og filter lidt oftere og tømmer bundkaret kører en lille tur tømmer igen bundkaret. Rent matematisk bør man så have skiftet 75% af olien. (Jeg ved ikke om det er en holdbar løsning men det virker for mig.
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Hej
Vedr. skift af olie på automatik gearkasser har jeg fundet følgende :
Here is an article by Kim Langley
There is a lot of hype out there that the mere mortal does not posses the technical skills to change the transmission fluid on his/her Benz and there is a cadre out there saying it's as easy as an oil change. I am of the opinion that it is somewhere between the two. The procedure is more complex than an oil change but certainly within the grasp of the majority of DIY'ers.
Tech Specs:
• Mercedes 722.6 transmission
• Transmission Pan torx bolts[6ea]: ~106 inch/lbs
• Torx Bolt : #30
• Transmission Drain Plug: 5mm hex at ~18 ft/lbs
• Torque Converter drain plug: 5mm hex at ~20 ft/lbs
• Camshaft pulley nut : 27mm
Tools Required:
• Jackstands 4ea
• Floor jack
• #30 torx socket
• 5mm hex socket
• Socket wrench with extensions
• Torque wrench > inch pounds [106 in/lbs]
• Torque wrench > 20 ft/lbs
• 27 mm socket
• Long breaker bar
• Mercedes transmission dipstick tool [Fastlane - J2024-110887]
• AT Filter [Fastlane - J000-56367]
• Infrared thermometer
• Long Neck funnel fits transmission tube
• Rags
• 7-9 liters of MB transmission fluid [Fastlane - Z8001-107773]
Procedure:
1. Jack up the Benz as far as possible [front and rear] and support with jack stands. Benz on flat ground I like to use a 6 x 6 piece of plywood to act as a buffer between the Benz and the jack stand]
2. Good idea to put down a good layer of newspaper/cardboard under the Benz to catch spillage
3. As far as I know the transmission can be drained either cold, warm or hot. I drained mine warm.
4. Start draining with the transmission pan drain plug. It's quite obvious. 5mm hex. You should get about 3 liters of fluid out. After the pan has drained, detach the pan via #30 torx [6 bolts]. There will still be about a half-inch of fluid in the pan so be careful [unless you like tranny-oil
5. You can examine the color, smell of the transmission fluid and get an idea as to the status of your transmission > see the color of money article. Additionally, it's good to note any metal particulates in the bottom of the pan. Clean the pan with a lint-free cloth you don't want to induce any unwanted stuff into the system.
6. Remove transmission filter. It's just pressed into position no hardware holding it in position > note it's location before removing though.
7. Drain torque converter. The torque converter is located forward [towards front of car]of the transmission pan in a sort-of oval housing. Unless the drain plug stopped in the down position, you will have to have someone turn the engine over to rotate the torque converter. Turning the engine over is accomplished by using a 27mm socket on a long breaker bar placing the 27mm on the crankshaft pulley nut and gently rotating the engine clockwise. Since the rear wheels are off the ground- should rotate easily. Obviously, you don't want to break the crankshaft pulley nut loose just rotate the crank which rotates the torque converter.
8. With the torque converter drain plug in the down position use a 5mm hex with an extension and unscrew. You'll get another 3 liters of old tranny fluid out of the torque converter.
9. After everything is drained it's time to install a new transmission filter, reinstall the drain plugs and secure the pan back to the transmission. Torque to 106 inch pounds [not a lot of torque]
10. I found that the transmission pan gasket was still quite serviceable it's a rubber affair and quite well-constructed unlike most typical US gaskets > so I reused the old gasket.
11. The reinstall of the transmission filter was not exactly elegant You get the filter in position, hope it stays attached, and quickly put the pan into position.
12. Ok, tranny drain plug in, torque converter drain plug in, tranny pan attached .
13. Clear-out all stuff under your Benz and lower off of jackstands.
14. Now it's time to pour in new transmission fluid. Obviously > use only the correct Mercedes Benz fluid > .
15. I poured in six liters and took the Benz on a short/medium drive to get the transmission warmed up. I wrapped a rag around the tranny tube > used a long neck funnel and slowly poured the fluid in.
16. With the engine running, car in Park, > use the infrared thermometer and ping the tranny pan the pan should be the same temp as the fluid inside.
17. Unclip the red plastic piece on the transmission cap and remove the cap.
18. Using the MB dipstick tool check the fluid level.
19. This is where the purists' note that only a shop with the special MB diagnostic star-gizmo can perform the procedure.
20. I maintain that if my infrared thermometer says the tranny pan/fluid is at 80degrees Celsius, and the tranny fluid level on the special MB dipstick tool is at the top mark at 80 C, then I am good to go. I have filled the proper amount of fluid. I used 7.3 liters of fluid for the change.
21. It should be noted that the MB dipstick tool reads from the bottom up. That is, stick it all the way in and pull it out, read the fluid level. You will have a good 8 inches of dipstick hanging out the transmission tube overhanging the engine remember it's a tool...not a dipstick.
22. Some of you are going to be griping: Man, I gotta buy a special dipstick tool, a blinking infrared thermometer...a 25 inch breaker bar...too much gingle for this gig. Let me impart my tools-are-free philosophy. It goes...an indie shop wanted $125 to do a tranny fluid change and that's with me providing the filter and fluid. So I spent $69.00 for a infrared thermometer and $30 for a dipstick tool.. I purchased the correct tools so I could perform the task correctly so with my labor [$0] and special tools purchase $99 I managed to get the job done for less than what a shop would charge for it.
- Kim Langley
Der er også billeder, men jeg kan ikke hitte ud af at vedhæfte dem.
Kan nogen hjælpe mid med det ?
Måske var det en ide at nogen gik sammen om at købe "Dipstick" og infrarød termometer (bare en ide).
Mvh.
Margon Andreasen
Vedr. skift af olie på automatik gearkasser har jeg fundet følgende :
Here is an article by Kim Langley
There is a lot of hype out there that the mere mortal does not posses the technical skills to change the transmission fluid on his/her Benz and there is a cadre out there saying it's as easy as an oil change. I am of the opinion that it is somewhere between the two. The procedure is more complex than an oil change but certainly within the grasp of the majority of DIY'ers.
Tech Specs:
• Mercedes 722.6 transmission
• Transmission Pan torx bolts[6ea]: ~106 inch/lbs
• Torx Bolt : #30
• Transmission Drain Plug: 5mm hex at ~18 ft/lbs
• Torque Converter drain plug: 5mm hex at ~20 ft/lbs
• Camshaft pulley nut : 27mm
Tools Required:
• Jackstands 4ea
• Floor jack
• #30 torx socket
• 5mm hex socket
• Socket wrench with extensions
• Torque wrench > inch pounds [106 in/lbs]
• Torque wrench > 20 ft/lbs
• 27 mm socket
• Long breaker bar
• Mercedes transmission dipstick tool [Fastlane - J2024-110887]
• AT Filter [Fastlane - J000-56367]
• Infrared thermometer
• Long Neck funnel fits transmission tube
• Rags
• 7-9 liters of MB transmission fluid [Fastlane - Z8001-107773]
Procedure:
1. Jack up the Benz as far as possible [front and rear] and support with jack stands. Benz on flat ground I like to use a 6 x 6 piece of plywood to act as a buffer between the Benz and the jack stand]
2. Good idea to put down a good layer of newspaper/cardboard under the Benz to catch spillage
3. As far as I know the transmission can be drained either cold, warm or hot. I drained mine warm.
4. Start draining with the transmission pan drain plug. It's quite obvious. 5mm hex. You should get about 3 liters of fluid out. After the pan has drained, detach the pan via #30 torx [6 bolts]. There will still be about a half-inch of fluid in the pan so be careful [unless you like tranny-oil
5. You can examine the color, smell of the transmission fluid and get an idea as to the status of your transmission > see the color of money article. Additionally, it's good to note any metal particulates in the bottom of the pan. Clean the pan with a lint-free cloth you don't want to induce any unwanted stuff into the system.
6. Remove transmission filter. It's just pressed into position no hardware holding it in position > note it's location before removing though.
7. Drain torque converter. The torque converter is located forward [towards front of car]of the transmission pan in a sort-of oval housing. Unless the drain plug stopped in the down position, you will have to have someone turn the engine over to rotate the torque converter. Turning the engine over is accomplished by using a 27mm socket on a long breaker bar placing the 27mm on the crankshaft pulley nut and gently rotating the engine clockwise. Since the rear wheels are off the ground- should rotate easily. Obviously, you don't want to break the crankshaft pulley nut loose just rotate the crank which rotates the torque converter.
8. With the torque converter drain plug in the down position use a 5mm hex with an extension and unscrew. You'll get another 3 liters of old tranny fluid out of the torque converter.
9. After everything is drained it's time to install a new transmission filter, reinstall the drain plugs and secure the pan back to the transmission. Torque to 106 inch pounds [not a lot of torque]
10. I found that the transmission pan gasket was still quite serviceable it's a rubber affair and quite well-constructed unlike most typical US gaskets > so I reused the old gasket.
11. The reinstall of the transmission filter was not exactly elegant You get the filter in position, hope it stays attached, and quickly put the pan into position.
12. Ok, tranny drain plug in, torque converter drain plug in, tranny pan attached .
13. Clear-out all stuff under your Benz and lower off of jackstands.
14. Now it's time to pour in new transmission fluid. Obviously > use only the correct Mercedes Benz fluid > .
15. I poured in six liters and took the Benz on a short/medium drive to get the transmission warmed up. I wrapped a rag around the tranny tube > used a long neck funnel and slowly poured the fluid in.
16. With the engine running, car in Park, > use the infrared thermometer and ping the tranny pan the pan should be the same temp as the fluid inside.
17. Unclip the red plastic piece on the transmission cap and remove the cap.
18. Using the MB dipstick tool check the fluid level.
19. This is where the purists' note that only a shop with the special MB diagnostic star-gizmo can perform the procedure.
20. I maintain that if my infrared thermometer says the tranny pan/fluid is at 80degrees Celsius, and the tranny fluid level on the special MB dipstick tool is at the top mark at 80 C, then I am good to go. I have filled the proper amount of fluid. I used 7.3 liters of fluid for the change.
21. It should be noted that the MB dipstick tool reads from the bottom up. That is, stick it all the way in and pull it out, read the fluid level. You will have a good 8 inches of dipstick hanging out the transmission tube overhanging the engine remember it's a tool...not a dipstick.
22. Some of you are going to be griping: Man, I gotta buy a special dipstick tool, a blinking infrared thermometer...a 25 inch breaker bar...too much gingle for this gig. Let me impart my tools-are-free philosophy. It goes...an indie shop wanted $125 to do a tranny fluid change and that's with me providing the filter and fluid. So I spent $69.00 for a infrared thermometer and $30 for a dipstick tool.. I purchased the correct tools so I could perform the task correctly so with my labor [$0] and special tools purchase $99 I managed to get the job done for less than what a shop would charge for it.
- Kim Langley
Der er også billeder, men jeg kan ikke hitte ud af at vedhæfte dem.
Kan nogen hjælpe mid med det ?
Måske var det en ide at nogen gik sammen om at købe "Dipstick" og infrarød termometer (bare en ide).
Mvh.
Margon Andreasen